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I realise that there is some hypocrisy in saying I disagree with multi-accounting and then suggesting collusion against those who do it, however I'll try to explain my thinking.

Firstly, just because I don't like people using multiple accounts in this way does not mean it is 'wrong'. My opinion on the matter holds no more weight than someone who disagrees with me and who uses dual accounts themselves.

Secondly, what I suggested is not an exact like-for-like response.  The reason this game has the 'Chills' feature is to prevent players from repeatedly scouting and dying in a house until they know enough of it to go and rob it right away.  The 24 hour rule means that it will take them days to do so, which will give the house owner time to review the tapes, identify what has been scouted, and make changes if they wish to defend against the next intrusion.  By abusing dual-accounts, people circumvent the Chills feature - this means that players like me, who cannot be constantly reveiwing their tapes, are vulnerable to a multi-account attack while they are working, sleeping, eating dinner, etc. In the space of five minutes, Bishop did what should, by rights, have taken at least 48 hours to do: scout me twice and die, learn enough to come back and rob me.  If he hadn't been dual-accounting, I would have changed things after the first or second scout got as far as he did, before his chills ran out and that player could return armed with knowledge.  This is why it is *my* opinion that dual-accounting in this way is wrong.

Bishop was one person using multiple accounts to gain in-game credits and gain an in-game advantage over other players.

I am suggesting a collective of people use their own accounts to team up against people like this, with the intention of restoring the balance and redistributing the funds that they got, in my view, unfairly. If it spoils the fun for them at the same time, great.

As for whether Bishop was one guy or a few friends sharing information - obviously I can't say who was sitting at the keyboard for each occasion, but it is quite obvious that the first two scouts entered the house with no expectation of surviving, whereas Bishop - who was the only one with an established house - came in with no expectation of encountering a problem.  He brought four tools with him, and used four tools to get the vault.

If people are forming a team where one person suicide scouts while the other one defends a castle and carries out the final robberies, then sure - it isn't strictly multi-accounting, but it IS exploiting the system to circumvent the Chills feature which exists in the game for a reason.  People are free to form such teams if they like, and those of us who don't like it are also free to gang up on them.

Ah okay... I've just blown most of my cash on house upgrades but I'll look into adding to it as soon as I can afford tools. I'll also wait and see if anyone has strong opinions against this, and if so what they are... I know some established forum members openly multi-account, but I want to be clear that I am only interested in attacking those who abuse it to spoil the fun for others, not those who use them for legitimate enjoyment of the game.

Apologies if I've covered old ground - I'll scroll down older topics, cheers Stefan!

EDIT: re: 'obvious abusers' - I'm not posting the videos yet because remodelling my house will take some days, but once the significant traps are altered from how they are now, I'll post the videos - there is no doubt at all, and I am usually he one to doubt foul play!

I don't want to weigh in with any opinion on whether people are cheating here, but I feel I should add this:

Last night Peter Nolan Clark (the OP's robber) took my vault for ~$3500. He came into the house on a first ever visit with $2,200 worth of tools - slightly more than your standard 2k but the selection was typical (saws, water, meat, bricks, bat). He did not take the house efficiently, wasting tools where there would be no need to do so if he knew the map beforehand. He did happen to have just the right tools to exploit a weakness (now fixed) that eventually got him access to my 'endgame' room, however the tools he used for this were the same tools I would have had with me on a 2k suicide run.

The only thing slightly fishy is that part of my endgame is a one-chance multiple choice, which he got right on the first (ie. his only) shot.

I've just watched the tape again, and to be honest I don't think he was cheating. If he was, then he went to a lot of effort to look lost and confused in my house, wasted a lot of tools, for basically a $1300 gain.

It's 4am and I just got home from a 12hr shift so I can't think maths, but some measurable factors that should go into determining a player's bounty increase when they commit a robbery:

1) Number of deaths in the house they robbed SINCE THE LAST SUCCESSFUL ROBBERY.  This neutralises the 'Connel Factor';
2) The amount spent to build the house they robbed.  This makes $2000 0/0 'Gimme' houses worthless in term of bounty, and will be a crude measure of how difficult the house was to rob;
3) A ratio of stolen amount:tool cost.  Anyone can brute force a $10,000 vault in a house that cost $70,000 to build, if they take $30,000 worth of tools with them.*  So take into account how much they spent on tools to take down the vault.

*figures are hypothetical, possibly poor ratios, but my point remains.

Anyway - I'm only a beginner, but that' my tuppence-worth.

Poh

aka Mr. ??????????    ;-)

I was thinking the same thing, though I'm not established enough to effectively scout him yet.

I haven't hit any big heists, so no enemies on that front - however, this morning I put up a $2k new build.  First guy through the door checks out my entrance, comes back 30 seconds later with a piece of meat, makes some dumb choices and drops a bounty of over $6000. I guessed it might have been someone trying to transfer money to an alt account, and so I stayed in build mode for over an hour (not even daring to watch the tape!) to stop the alt coming back, and to use most of that bounty money to massively improve the house.  So if there's anyone in the world with a vendetta, it's the alt account (if there is one) of that $6k bounty dump.  He wants his money back!

Strangely, Lowery is still showing up time and time again even as I type, yet his house is just not in the list.  At all. Not with chills, not without... odd...

Lol... here's what I go through numerous times a day:

Scroll down houses...
Scroll up houses...
Scroll down houses...
Scroll up houses...
THERE!
A $2000 0-0 'Gimme'! GO GO GO!
Ah... fucking Shelton again.
Scroll down houses...

You cut a hole in the wall to the switch room, so I cannot perform the magic dance without the chihuahua escaping and failing to hit the switches! I could just dump the vault in front of my entrance of course, but I can't make the place secure enough to collect any bounties etc.

It's cool - I was a bit peeved that you went to so much expense just to flatten me, but I was getting bored with the house too... also, kudos to you for doing the scouting/burglaries with your own account which has your $5k house and growing - I gather a lot of people just refuse to risk raiding when they're established, and either sit tight and collect bounties or pick out easy hits only.

I'll be coming for you though.

It cost about $4k to build, so yeah - I knew there were weaknesses against $7k+ worth of tools.  Thirteen saws will be pretty effective against a house that can't afford to steel/concrete all the walls, but thanks for highlighting this 'weakness'!

I'll see you around, Carpenter...

Every now and then I get a good one. On one of my first ever start-up houses, I hit a $3100 bounty - the guy came in with a few tools, brute forced his way to my vault, and committed suicide next to it.  I still have no idea why - it's not as if my house was a great one, for which he would get satisfaction from showing off simply that he could break it. I also had no idea how awesome an opportunity that was for me to turn my house into an impermeable death trap, and so I spunked the money on stuff I wasn't using properly and then died on an amateur robbery!

Generally, I reckon about 19/20 of my bounties are $100.  However, this is because I'm still not worth enough for any experienced robbers to spend money on tools to try and get me, so I'm just catching naked scouts and the odd $2k beginner robber.

It is indeed the Hawai'ian word - I think the translation isn't perfect as it depends on context, but it generally refers to a large or beautiful stone or rock. If your wife has a Hawai'ian name then you probably have more knowledge than me on that!

I took it as my online handle years ago, as it referred to me being a poker player (a 'rock' is a particularly tight/disciplined poker player) and I wanted a Hawaii'an word because I've been twice and love the place... and obviously, such words are less likely to be duplicated in online places than the English ones.