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#1 2014-03-15 12:36:44

Blip
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The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

I'm always impressed with the ingenuity of you guys, my fellow players, when it comes to crazy house builds. It seems that whenever somebody posts their design, I learn some new tactic that I had never seen before. I wanted to try putting your building skills to the test with a series of weekly builder challenges! Here's the first one:

The Challenge: Build a house with a maximum budget of $1000.

The Rules: Your house must cost 1k or less to build.
It must contain a full family.
It should feature entirely functional traps - not just incomplete ones to build off of later.

How to WIN:
All houses will be judged based on four things.

  1. How likely a non-tooled run is to succeed - 10 points

  2. How likely a wife-killing run is to succeed (5 meat, 1 club)- 10 points

  3. How likely a tooled run is to succeed (2 saws, 3 meat, 3 water, 1 brick, 1 wire cutter) - 10 points

  4. How well the trap tricks robbers - 20 points: 5 points for a hidden trap, 5 points for an unexpected solution, 5 points for a psychological trap, 5 points for wife-killer trap

Here's an example house and how it would score:http://castledraft.com/editor/wFx5xB
A non-tooled run has a low chance of success. The robber must avoid the doors, backtrack, then select the correct door. 7 points
A wife killing run armed with 1 club and 5 meat has a low chance of success. The robber must first drug the bottom dog, go up to drug the top dog in front of the wife, then go down, past the vault, to spot the wife, go back to the main passage, and club her. 9 points
A tooled run has a high chance of success; the robber must decide to brick one of top set or bottom set of doors, and then drug that dog. 2 points
Robbers are tricked well, because none of the doors lets them live. Instead, they must go forward, than backtrack - (Unexpected solution). Wife killers are faced with being sandwiched between two pit-bulls in a small corridor - (Wife-killer trap). 10 points

So that house scores a total of 28 points, out of a possible 50. Can you do better? wink

Scoreboard
1. Lord0fHam: 39/50
2. LiteS: 34/50
3. GotABigTrap: 33/50
4. StefanLindskog: 31/50
5. 42dustman: 27/50

Last edited by Blip (2014-03-16 15:32:49)


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#2 2014-03-15 13:07:35

TheRealCheese
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Haha I was in that house earlier. Didn't bring tools though so didn't take any chances.

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#3 2014-03-15 13:16:31

LiteS
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

http://castledraft.com/editor/AtOhhz

With 320 more I guess I could give the wife a shotgun to avoid the gun+club theft.

Edit: Oops, horizontal spacing is off, you can kill the dog on the left with a club. Oh well. I'll fix it later.

Last edited by LiteS (2014-03-15 13:27:19)

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#4 2014-03-15 14:30:47

Lord0fHam
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

http://castledraft.com/editor/eAHvDb
With just a shotgun, the wife becomes infinitley more protected. Are there going to be some sort of prizes or just the good feeling? smile


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#5 2014-03-15 14:54:01

Blip
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Scoreboard update!

LiteS- Non-Tooled Score: 9/10
Wife Defense Score: 8/10
Tooled Score: 7/10
Tricky Score: 10/20 (Hidden Trap, Unexpected Solution)

Total for LiteS: 34/50

Lord0fHam- Non-Tooled Score: 10/10
Wife Defense Score: 1/10
Tooled Score: 7/10
Tricky Score: 5/20 (Hidden Trap)

Total for Lord0fHam: 23/50

As for prizes, I'm not sure yet. I may have a final prize for the person who does the best after, say, 10 weekly challenges, summing up scoreboard wins with 3 as first place, 2 as second, and 1 as third. (Say, a free painting?) However, I'd rather not have weekly prizes, as that would be a lot of work.


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#6 2014-03-15 15:09:17

Lord0fHam
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

why is my wife defense score so low?


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#7 2014-03-15 15:20:09

Nakula
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

i went $42 over. plz forgive me. http://castledraft.com/editor/M4ckU1

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#8 2014-03-15 15:20:58

GotABigTrap
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

http://castledraft.com/editor/jktwbc

This is just my thoughts but let me know what you think.

1.


Pretty unlikely, first, they are forced to step down by the wife if they want to solve, otherwise they must leave.  At this point they have to double step in 3 places.  They'll never know if they succeeded or not until they turn the corner, by which point they will either get lucky or die.  The probability could be like 1/6*1/4*1/2 = 1/48.  So about a 2% chance.  In practice I find many untooled suicide robbers do not even try to do the dance they just run to their deaths. 

2.
How likely a wife-killing run is to succeed (5 meat, 1 club)

obviously not because she has a shotgun

3.
How likely a tooled run is to succeed (2 saws, 2 meat, 2 water, 1 brick, 1 wire cutter)

You wouldn't be able to succeed with these tools.  4 bricks for sure.  with a wirecutter and 3 waters yes but you need to know when to use the cutter.

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#9 2014-03-15 15:33:49

Blip
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Lord0fHam: A robber only needs one meat and one club to kill your wife, and doing so is very simple. Anybody looking to kill your wife armed with those two tools would succeed.

Nakula: There's no path for the family to take to leave! Remember, they can't step on electric floors.

GotABigTrap - Non-tooled Score: 10/10
Wife Defense Score: 10/10
Tooled Score: 8/10
Tricky Score: 5/20 (Unexpected Solution - Part of Dance not on Floors)

Total Score: 33

*Note: I made a mistake when adding up tool values for the tooled run. The correct tool amounts are posted.*


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#10 2014-03-15 16:31:49

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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

OK Blip, I've got a new design that I think will score much higher.
http://castledraft.com/editor/3yxZkR

Last edited by Lord0fHam (2014-03-15 16:51:48)


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#11 2014-03-15 16:52:37

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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

in case you JUST looked at my new house, i may have changed the link to an updated version AS you were looking at it, so please just check.


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#12 2014-03-15 16:53:51

Blip
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Lord0fHam wrote:

OK Blip, I've got a new design that I think will score much higher.

I like this design, it's really clever. I may borrow some of it for my own starter houses.
Lord0fHam- Non-Tooled Score: 8/10
Wife Defense Score: 10/10
Tooled Score: 6/10
Tricky Score: 15/20 (Hidden Trap, Unexpected Solution, Wife-Killer Trap)

Total Score: 39/50

Last edited by Blip (2014-03-15 16:56:23)


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#13 2014-03-15 17:19:38

Lord0fHam
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Thanks! I really enjoyed this challenge. It really got me to be creative and come up with things I've never thought of before. I'm really looking forward to the next build challenges in the coming weeks and I hope you keep doing them.


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#14 2014-03-15 18:24:27

gyuri
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

In the game doors cost $8, on castledraft only $6. So for example LordofHam's design costs $1016 in the game. It's an ingenious design and I'm fine with castledraft prices, so Blip you might want to clarify this in the rules.

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#15 2014-03-15 18:57:46

42dustman
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

http://castledraft.com/editor/cqSoe4

You should give me an artistic bonus for the shape on that one.

Last edited by 42dustman (2014-03-15 19:41:48)


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#16 2014-03-15 22:28:24

Lord0fHam
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

gyuri wrote:

In the game doors cost $8, on castledraft only $6. So for example LordofHam's design costs $1016 in the game. It's an ingenious design and I'm fine with castledraft prices, so Blip you might want to clarify this in the rules.

Also cats cost 40 on castle draft.

Last edited by Lord0fHam (2014-03-15 22:28:32)


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#17 2014-03-16 09:16:32

LiteS
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Blip wrote:
Lord0fHam wrote:

OK Blip, I've got a new design that I think will score much higher.

I like this design, it's really clever. I may borrow some of it for my own starter houses.
Lord0fHam- Non-Tooled Score: 8/10
Wife Defense Score: 10/10
Tooled Score: 6/10
Tricky Score: 15/20 (Hidden Trap, Unexpected Solution, Wife-Killer Trap)

Total Score: 39/50

But with this version the vault can be reached with a single drugged meat by running up the last path and standing on the panic button.

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#18 2014-03-16 11:12:05

GotABigTrap
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

LiteS wrote:
Blip wrote:
Lord0fHam wrote:

OK Blip, I've got a new design that I think will score much higher.

I like this design, it's really clever. I may borrow some of it for my own starter houses.
Lord0fHam- Non-Tooled Score: 8/10
Wife Defense Score: 10/10
Tooled Score: 6/10
Tricky Score: 15/20 (Hidden Trap, Unexpected Solution, Wife-Killer Trap)

Total Score: 39/50

But with this version the vault can be reached with a single drugged meat by running up the last path and standing on the panic button.

I'm not sure but doesn't the wife prevent that by arriving at the panic button at the same time you would?  if you wait the wife will push you out, you are forced to select a door right?

I suppose it is possible.  At any rate you can also solve with 1 saw by using the upper panic button to step around the dog

Last edited by GotABigTrap (2014-03-16 11:44:49)

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#19 2014-03-16 11:15:36

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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

http://castledraft.com/editor/bWdi4X

here's an annoying 1000$ design that does decent but not as good as my first I think.  More surprise traps at least.  It may not be quite right as I cannot test it, but in theory any bugs could easily be worked out.

the combo lock commit button is the wife, which once she has seen you, you need to have entered the combo & you must immediately go.

Last edited by GotABigTrap (2014-03-16 11:26:02)

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#20 2014-03-16 13:53:58

LiteS
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

GotABigTrap wrote:
LiteS wrote:
Blip wrote:

I like this design, it's really clever. I may borrow some of it for my own starter houses.
Lord0fHam- Non-Tooled Score: 8/10
Wife Defense Score: 10/10
Tooled Score: 6/10
Tricky Score: 15/20 (Hidden Trap, Unexpected Solution, Wife-Killer Trap)

Total Score: 39/50

But with this version the vault can be reached with a single drugged meat by running up the last path and standing on the panic button.

I'm not sure but doesn't the wife prevent that by arriving at the panic button at the same time you would?  if you wait the wife will push you out, you are forced to select a door right?

I suppose it is possible.  At any rate you can also solve with 1 saw by using the upper panic button to step around the dog

The wife stops moving when she runs into the son, meaning a cautious no tool run is free to run back and forth on the bottom row while watching the window to see if the dog is gone.

Last edited by LiteS (2014-03-16 13:55:21)

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#21 2014-03-16 14:35:31

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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

With a large portion of nervousnes I hereby submit my house with a sneaking suspicion of a pending low score. smile

http://castledraft.com/editor/qA5JpL


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#22 2014-03-16 15:32:00

Blip
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

StefanLindskog- Non-tooled Score: 10/10
Wife Defense Score: 8/10
Tooled Score: 8/10
Tricky Score: 5/20 (Unexpected Solution: Third electric floor is harmless, only the last two are deadly)

Total Score: 31/50

42dustman - Non-tooled Score: 10/10
Wife defense Score: 8/10
Tooled Score: 9/10
Tricky Score: 0/20

Total Score: 27/50


As for the discrepancy between CastleDraft and in-game prices, its okay to just go by the CastleDraft values.


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#23 2014-03-16 16:00:13

Lord0fHam
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Blip wrote:

As for the discrepancy between CastleDraft and in-game prices, its okay to just go by the CastleDraft values.

The problem is that on Castle Draft, things are MORE expensive, so they throw people off when deisgning houses to a specific budget.


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#24 2014-03-16 17:37:59

gyuri
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Here is my try: http://castledraft.com/editor/P1aYiy

It's all about timing. If you don't get to the vault before the wife, she will guard it with her shotgun in her hand.

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#25 2014-03-16 20:49:45

42dustman
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Re: The Builder Challenge #1 - $1000 House!

Blip wrote:

42dustman - Non-tooled Score: 10/10
Wife defense Score: 8/10
Tooled Score: 9/10
Tricky Score: 0/20

Total Score: 27/50

0 tricky? But I made the 2º and 3º floors kill you if you try to dance.

Last edited by 42dustman (2014-03-16 20:50:29)


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