Meta-Game and Common Trap Mechanics

Fenrix · 2014-02-06 16:25:48

Fire Wall - commonly used in meuseums and other secure locations. surround sections of your map with wired wall barriers, set it up so that cutting through any of these barriers triggers most of your trap system.
I do this often because, if someones actually brought cutting tools, chances are they can bypass most traps if they need to, but this method actually forces them to use up all thier saws quickly.
to to this, you put a single power source along the map perimiter and build your firewall using wired wall and cables where passage is needed, at the other end of the firewall add an inverted voltage switch and power supply which you then connect to any trap system you want to set off.

example http://castledraft.com/editor/3dUU0e

one of the only ways to bypass such a system is to short the firewalls trippable power supply. to its a good idea to wall it up good.
this can be used on both the small and large scale to punish people attempting to use the old 5 saws scouting method.

upgrades:
add wall dogs to other side of firewall
add a secondary backup trigger system
add a containment system by adding powered doors across key areas that are triggered by the firewall.
add a deadlock system that locks out all vault access if the firewall is breached.

goals - use up as many tools as possible. - secure vital areas of the house from penetration

this trap basically punishes anyone attempting to brute force the system.

Last edited by Fenrix (2014-02-07 00:24:06)

sebastian · 2014-02-06 17:42:13

You did wrong with the voltage trigger. It should be a inverted one. Else the trap rewards the user for bruteforcing, since bruteforcing will cut the Power to the voltage switch, which in turn will cut Power to the Electric floor.

Blip · 2014-02-08 14:41:15

Here's a simple trick house I've been using. It's really secure and keeps the robbers out, plus keeps my family safe. With 9 different failsafes, it's a hard nut to crack, unless you know what you're doing really well. I was hoping to extend it with a second trap but I died.

http://castledraft.com/editor/5Zwmlx

Americans17 · 2014-02-16 22:07:56

Blip wrote:

Here's a simple trick house I've been using. It's really secure and keeps the robbers out, plus keeps my family safe. With 9 different failsafes, it's a hard nut to crack, unless you know what you're doing really well. I was hoping to extend it with a second trap but I died.
http://castledraft.com/editor/5Zwmlx

I think i saw this house! anyways i still get confused of how that electronic system works

LiteS · 2014-02-16 23:19:25

This is a very compact and effective commitment trap, as it requires the robber to either break through your walls or use a ladder to return past the button

Pandamonium · 2014-02-16 23:25:36

Americans17 wrote:

Blip wrote:
http://castledraft.com/editor/5Zwmlx
I think i saw this house! anyways i still get confused of how that electronic system works

without building this, as I don't remember where the "screen shifts", its based on the number of steps once the dog sees you and you walking into where the vault "should" be. If you down walk past the electric grate before the dog activates the power, your trapped.

Whilst it's very deceptive, and plays on your mind set when robbing, ("Oh dog! Run!" and "lets explore safe routes before going into commitment traps") anyone with $500 in tools is enough to totally brute force this trap.

2x drugged meats to sleep the dogs, and 3x water to give you free movement between vault and entrance.

I find this trap very smart from a psychological perspective! However from an anti-brute force perspective I would shy away from using it.

Last edited by Pandamonium (2014-02-16 23:27:37)

Blip · 2014-02-17 18:11:39

Pandamonium wrote:

Whilst it's very deceptive, and plays on your mind set when robbing, ("Oh dog! Run!" and "lets explore safe routes before going into commitment traps") anyone with $500 in tools is enough to totally brute force this trap.
2x drugged meats to sleep the dogs, and 3x water to give you free movement between vault and entrance.
I find this trap very smart from a psychological perspective! However from an anti-brute force perspective I would shy away from using it.

The problem I ran up against was designing the trap so that the square of cables (here:http://castledraft.com/editor/8vrecj) wouldn't pass power between each other, so that the dog hitting the button didn't pass power to the output of the button, just only to the grate. Due to screen shifts, it wasn't really possible. I bet there's a better way to do the top left electronics to compact everything and make it work, but I didn't really have time to really do multiple revisions on this design.

Instead, I'm now using a spiritual successor that includes a new trick: the corner of inescapable death.

redxaxder · 2014-02-21 09:26:19

For those of you who like to put your wives at risk, there's a shotgun pincer trap that I've died to several times:

http://castledraft.com/editor/eGacLb

On entry, the robber can tell from the layout of the hallway that he doesn't have to worry about a dog cutting off his exit. So he can "safely" go take a peek around the bottom corner. A robber that does this without tools is dead. Once he wakes up the wife and the dog, the wife cuts toward the exit with a shotgun while the dog chases him. In order to dodge her shotgun at the exit the robber must leap into the jaws of the pit bull.

12 steps after sighting, the layout looks like this: http://castledraft.com/editor/Pd90an
13: http://castledraft.com/editor/1wroTC
14: http://castledraft.com/editor/GaJQE0

MMaster · 2014-02-21 10:24:59

I have posted this in the other thread, but I think it belongs here:

I came up with something like this in my old house:
http://castledraft.com/editor/iE3w4C

When you step on electric floors it is hard to get out. If you cut the wired wall you will be fried from the side where dog is - because you will break paradox circuit which will then start powering the electric floors from the bottom side through the wire bridge. If you cut the electric floor in front of you the electric floors behind you will not be activated but everything in front of you will be because you broke the paradox circuit. Once you move the dog will hit the button which will then activate even the electric floors from behind you. The dog also closes door in front of him so the robber really needs to get through all of the electric floors.

You can make the dogs button to be deactivated once the robber does some magic dance and you have very nice trap. You can even use the dog on some commitment trap later as when the button will be deactivated the door will not close. It is quite hard to brute force. It costs $1200 (1050 if you use wooden walls everywhere), but you can lower the price by making the dog hallway a bit smaller and removing the powered doors if not needed. I made it this way so there is no way to stop the dog from hitting the button (at least I don't know about any).

colorfusion · 2014-02-21 10:35:23

Here's a small simple sight shift trap I used to use a lot:
http://castledraft.com/editor/MAvRc1

The pitbull isn't in view until you go down then back up. When you go back up the step that you move onto the electric floor, it will turn on. Catches out a few people thinking that see where the wire is coming from and think they can just have a quick peak downwards then exit.

jacksonblue · 2014-02-22 15:51:56

http://castledraft.com/editor/ZIbn9M

This is what I use from the start. I would preferably replace the chihuahua with a pit bull later on.
It incoraprates 2 trap designs form this forum with a little editing.

Last edited by jacksonblue (2014-02-22 15:52:55)

joshwithguitar · 2014-02-22 17:35:21

jacksonblue wrote:

http://castledraft.com/editor/ZIbn9M
This is what I use from the start. I would preferably replace the chihuahua with a pit bull later on.
It incoraprates 2 trap designs form this forum with a little editing.

You can make that house a bit cheaper by getting rid of most of the power supplies:
http://castledraft.com/editor/2ZV0ey
Now at least you'll have some money to lure robbers with.

protox13 · 2014-02-22 18:52:34

joshwithguitar wrote:

jacksonblue wrote:
http://castledraft.com/editor/ZIbn9M
This is what I use from the start. I would preferably replace the chihuahua with a pit bull later on.
It incoraprates 2 trap designs form this forum with a little editing.

You can make that house a bit cheaper by getting rid of most of the power supplies:
http://castledraft.com/editor/2ZV0ey
Now at least you'll have some money to lure robbers with.

Just make sure it's not more money than a brick and/or meat, which is the minimum to defeat this setup. Personally, I would move the chiwawa back enough to be out of brick range: http://castledraft.com/editor/MnYdnn

Last edited by protox13 (2014-02-22 19:19:44)

jacksonblue · 2014-02-23 17:29:23

After some modifications,this is my new house.

http://castledraft.com/editor/YI6Hfi

I fixed an electrical current that had killed me previously and now it works quite well.

Last edited by jacksonblue (2014-02-24 17:26:23)

StefanLindskog · 2014-03-06 06:26:23

I've been using this quite simple trap:

It lures curious robbers in to check the door. The cat won't turn everything on if you keep going once it spots you, so if you try the door, you could be safe - only you're not. Your best option is of course to brick the cat and leave.

A lot of robbers keep trying the button if they didn't die when the floors turned on. It makes for brilliant entertainment.

StefanLindskog · 2014-03-07 01:55:56

I stumbled upon this, and I'm putting it right into my house. It looks deadly, and I can't even begin to understand how it works.

colorfusion · 2014-03-07 10:47:03

StefanLindskog wrote:

I stumbled upon this, and I'm putting it right into my house. It looks deadly, and I can't even begin to understand how it works.
http://i.imgur.com/5RUTysK.jpg

Pretty simple, the turquoise indicator light is not conductive so it doesn't let power through.

StefanLindskog · 2014-03-07 10:57:36

colorfusion wrote:

StefanLindskog wrote:
I stumbled upon this, and I'm putting it right into my house. It looks deadly, and I can't even begin to understand how it works.
http://i.imgur.com/5RUTysK.jpg
Pretty simple, the turquoise indicator light is not conductive so it doesn't let power through.

Wait! What?!

Leveller · 2014-03-07 15:29:39

StefanLindskog wrote:

colorfusion wrote:
StefanLindskog wrote:
I stumbled upon this, and I'm putting it right into my house. It looks deadly, and I can't even begin to understand how it works.
http://i.imgur.com/5RUTysK.jpg
Pretty simple, the turquoise indicator light is not conductive so it doesn't let power through.
Wait! What?!

Those turquoise lights is (Non Conductive) Like powered pits and electric doors. They dont relay the electricity to adjacent blocks.

StefanLindskog · 2014-03-07 15:55:50

I'm being ironic, sarcastic or aloof - or a dick (giant vault penis).

death_to_ice_cream_vans · 2014-03-09 22:59:27

Been seeing this a bit: http://castledraft.com/editor/S3759u

You think you're safe because you're just looking around a corner, but you're actually committed once the dog sees you on the long diagonal.

Nakula · 2014-03-10 12:49:31

i been raking in kills with this setup. you might have seen it from me ^.^ but im sure there are others that use it

shlam16 · 2014-03-15 20:16:44

Corridors filled with powered pits, and a ghost dog way out of reach. The only way to make it safe is to switch power sources for the pits before ghost dog kills you. But red herring buttons that kill the power, and simultaneously kill you instantly.

This is a more advanced trap technique, but highly effective.

shlam16 · 2014-03-15 20:18:47

death_to_ice_cream_vans wrote:

Been seeing this a bit: http://castledraft.com/editor/S3759u
You think you're safe because you're just looking around a corner, but you're actually committed once the dog sees you on the long diagonal.

I personally prefer to stop any curious people from wandering up that corridor. I think this is a better design: http://castledraft.com/editor/TndEHH

Nakula · 2014-03-16 01:28:30

you can make both ways lethal by changing that button to a sticky switch so they die if they go up the first hall, and in the diagonal hallway putting a cat+switch that shuts off power to the first firefloor so the dog can walk through it

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