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Was this supposed to be on Cylence's post?

Sad to see you leave   Good luck and have fun with your other endeavors, though!

What was the house that Kimenzar has already taken down?

Yeah, I'd like to know how to get to the bottom left vault as well.  That's where I thought it would be, after Puma had explored the many, many cat hallways, but I didn't have a clue about the cat in the bottom left corner, so I probably wouldn't have made any progress.

I absolutely LOVED this house because of one little area- the exit after scaring the cat across the center pits.  I knew you had to get up there and scare the cat down, but I couldn't figure out how it was possible to get back down there after that.  Then, suddenly, I realized- one of the powered doors to the left didn't recieve power from below.  Your house uses powered doors as walls so much that you were actually able to make a fake wall!  When I did go through that area, it felt like I was crawling through this cramped, secret tunnel that shouldn't have existed.  Pretty much the exact same feelings as going through the non-test chamber areas in Portal, actually!

Nope, still a pit there
I was just checking the top 2 possible vault locations- I was thinking the one going right instead of down was impossible without tools, but then I remembered there'd be a dead cat in that pit, so the pathing would work out.  No luck, though.

Wait- come to think of it, there *is* a third possible vault location that I haven't checked since you updated... hmmm... I don't think it's going to be there, so I'm going to try somewhere I've given up on next....

Also- hint?  What hint? XD

Ok, I thought you had checked all of the cat paths, and I had checked what I thought was the only other option.  There's still one more option, though, that I just figured out how to do tool-less, so I'll try that tomorrow.  I figured racing you with the cat paths was a failing strategy, so I'm taking a different approach.

That other one is me!  I'm going for my 3rd (well, really my 2nd because of bad tool choice) kitten path, so we'll be racing for that

Oh, and just because you said that, Cylence, I am going to visit EVERY dog I know of >:D
(Well, not counting the ones you can't see from the entrance, since I can't afford *that*!)

EDIT: Never mind, maybe later- completely forgot to use the gun I brought on the first dog!

EDIT2: Aaaaaand now I feel like even more of an idiot! Guess I'll stay at 1 hallway scouted for now....

Yeah, I never realized that I had never actually enabled it; whoops!

How far have you gotten, Puma?

Yeah, like Cylence said, I've gotten past it as well.  My advice is very similar to what I'd give for any puzzle game- if you can't figure out a solution, just let that part rest for a bit, explore more of the house, and eventually, when you're not thinking of how to solve it, the answer will come to you!

How'd you guess I'm really sad I had to kill the chihuahua like that- I really expected that hallway to continue for quite a bit longer.  Still, anything to prevent his legs from shattering and his slowly starving to death at the bottom of the trapdoor when I opened it

No, animals definitely take turns moving.  It starts at bottom left, and goes up row by row.  That's what leads to all of the different pet movement quirks.

For instance, in the example you posted: http://castledraft.com/editor/FjKqqD
The order explains why you can step on the first cat going down, but can't going up.  Here's what happens:
UP
1. Player movement: Step on cat
2. Pet movement:
--Cat is lowest, so it moves first, going down
--Dog is next lowest, free to move down, bites robber

Result: Dead robber

DOWN
1. Player movement: Step on cat
2. Pet movement:
--Dog is lowest, tries to move up, cat is blocking movement
--Cat is next lowest, tries to run away from robber, succeeds

Result: Live robber

The same thing happens with chihuahua dances: if the chihuahua moves first, you'll survive.  For instance, if you're on the chihuahua in this house:
http://castledraft.com/editor/c5mwOH
Going left or down will kill you, since in both cases the pit bull will move onto the hallway entrance before you do.  If you go right or up, however, the chihuahua will move beside the door before the pit bull does, so you'll survive.

Anyways, sorry that I started this mild case of derailment off of the topic of family protection

I don't think this is true- if the dog moves first, the cat's in the way.  If the cat moves first, he jumps in the pit, and then the dog can't move.

Just a note: if you space the dogs by 2 the whole way down, then you'll end up with one side being weaker than the other.  In that map, going straight down the right side (drugging the dogs on the left and using ladders) is cheaper than killing the dogs, and MUCH cheaper than going down the left side.  To fix it, about halfway through you should put a dog 1 tile further than you would've, so that the pattern changes.

Like so:
http://castledraft.com/editor/UMmSb1

Well, that didn't work out the way I hoped... good thing I used those bricks, huh? =P

The more I explore your houses (Jensen and Geyer), the more I am impressed... not a single magic dance or combo lock (well, at least not blatant ones), so many *different* paths to choose, paths that seem like good solutions and take several tries to discover they're just red herrings, paths that seem like red herrings with no solution but end up being possible when approached from a different angle (literally ), tiny details that end up being the key to the solution, parts of the house interacting that have no business interacting... they've just been really fun to map out!