This game is unplayable because of cheater!

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:22:00

Iceman please make a light in my dark brain.

How " it's obviously trivial to bypass" a 6 digit code with a leap of faith step and not exaiming the circuit?

Edit: And I saw your death while testing in your house in your posting

Last edited by uncastlebar (2014-04-15 09:24:45)

colorfusion · 2014-04-15 09:31:16

uncastlebar wrote:

colorfusion wrote:
...With 100 people, you'd have to be pretty lucky to not have someone get through your house. A 6 bit combo lock has 64 possibilities, and up to 6 combinations (assuming no tools) can be tested before you've pressed all the buttons.
...
At this point I stopped reading- A 6 switch combination has how many tries!? Come on ask your teacher, come back and write the answer. Then I will read the rest.

64.

000000
000001
000010
000011
000100
000101
000110
000111
001000
001001
001010
001011
001100
001101
001110
001111
010000
010001
010010
010011
010100
010101
010110
010111
011000
011001
011010
011011
011100
011101
011110
011111
100000
100001
100010
100011
100100
100101
100110
100111
101000
101001
101010
101011
101100
101101
101110
101111
110000
110001
110010
110011
110100
110101
110110
110111
111000
111001
111010
111011
111100
111101
111110
111111

Find me a combination of 6 on's and off's that isn't on that list.

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:33:46

Yes your right and combinating with 6 and 3 digit is?

BTW wunderfull large post

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:37:01

iceman wrote:

...For the 3 bit combo, you even said that he made a mistake, and sawed through a wall. If your combo took 2 pressed buttons, then there's a 2/3 chance of guessing it, which isn't surprising *at all*

Here the same:

Please make me knowing.

A 3 bit combo has 8 tries.

The triggered switches are behinde 4 walls in a row. So he cant see them (normaly).

Where is the "2/3 chance"

Please do lighten me!

Lord0fHam · 2014-04-15 09:37:59

uncastlebar wrote:

Lord0fHam wrote:
Paintings don't make you any more or less successful. You should always finish upgrading your house first. I think you are the guy from which i stole a painting using only 2 saws, a meat, and a brick a while ago. I didn't cheat, your house was just very basic at the time. Also, for your combo, use sticky switches.
I dont switch my house and name since 4 weeks.
So come back an rob me
And maybe you know how much combinations a 6 switch combo has?

everyone else is right, not as many combos as you think.

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iceman · 2014-04-15 09:38:37

uncastlebar wrote:

Iceman please make a light in my dark brain.
How " it's obviously trivial to bypass" a 6 digit code with a leap of faith step and not exaiming the circuit?
Edit: And I saw your death while testing in your house in your posting

Ok, I missed the leap of faith part. Could you post a castledraft of what the combo lock area looked like(not the solution, of course)? There might be something to tip off the robber to when he could get past.

uncastlebar wrote:

Yes your right and combinating with 6 and 3 digit is?
BTW wunderfull large post

Are you talking about combining your two combo locks? Taken separately, the 6 digit combo lock has 64 possible states, while the 3 digit has 8 possible states.

If that's not what you're talking about, could you explain why you're trying to combinate 6 and 3?

colorfusion · 2014-04-15 09:41:48

uncastlebar wrote:

Yes your right and combinating with 6 and 3 digit is?
BTW wunderfull large post

000
001
010
011
100
101
110
111

Eight possible combos. With one saw you can try five of them in one run I think, so the chance is over half. With no tools you can only try 4 combos, so the chance is exactly half.

If 100 people threw themselves at your house with no tools, about 10 people would get through the initial 6 bit combo. Then, 5 would go on to rob your vault. If you consider tools, then the chances increase dramatically. It is not surprising that you have been robbed.

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uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:42:09

Yes, thats what I mean.

Solving a 6 digit with 64 tries and after a 3 digit with 8 tries means not only 72 tries (64 plus 8)

Or am I wrong?

colorfusion · 2014-04-15 09:45:15

uncastlebar wrote:

Yes, thats what I mean.
Solving a 6 digit with 64 tries and after a 3 digit with 8 tries means not only 72 tries (64 plus 8)
Or am I wrong?

You've calculated the chance wrong, and not taken into account that you can try multiple combinations on each run.

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:45:16

Please read:

THER IS A "LEAP OF FAITH" STEP FOR TRYING.

So after one wrong try your dead!

And nobody ever gets to the second 3 digit code!

colorfusion · 2014-04-15 09:46:30

uncastlebar wrote:

Please read:
THER IS A "LEAP OF FAITH" STEP FOR TRYING.
So after one wrong try your dead!
And nobody ever gets to the second 3 digit code!

Ah, I didn't realise the "second leap of face" was connected to the combo lock. I'd like to see a map of your house though if possible so I can see how you've done it. Perhaps also a recording of the tape.

If you've implemented the leaps correctly, then with 100 people trying about ~2 would get through the first trap. Then, there's about a 1/4 chance that one of those gets to your vault. Not too unlikely still.

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uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:50:16

Yes thats right.

But first my house is still running.
And second I dont know how to recording.
Is there any post about it?

iceman · 2014-04-15 09:50:40

uncastlebar wrote:

iceman wrote:
...For the 3 bit combo, you even said that he made a mistake, and sawed through a wall. If your combo took 2 pressed buttons, then there's a 2/3 chance of guessing it, which isn't surprising *at all*
Here the same:
Please make me knowing.
A 3 bit combo has 8 tries.
The triggered switches are behinde 4 walls in a row. So he cant see them (normaly).
Where is the "2/3 chance"
Please do lighten me!

Ok- first of all, I'm assuming there wasn't a leap of faith, but a "door" (trapdoor, powered door, or electric floor)
EDIT: ok, just noticed that the second combo also had a leap of faith. Again, it would be useful to see your house, just in case there were tells to when it's safe to go.
That means that there are 3 possible 2 button combinations, and 3 possible 1 button combinations.

The robber presses a button, checks the "door" - still unpassable. He presses a different button- he just tried one of the three 2 button combinations. Nothing happens., he cuts the wall by the first button he pressed. Only 1 button is powered, so he just tested 2 of the 1 button combinations. He presses the last button- he just tried the 2nd 2 button combination.

All in all, he tried 4/6 of the "reasonable" solutions (since no buttons and all buttons aren't going to be a solution). 2/3 chance of getting by.

If the solution was to press just 1 button, that obviously wouldn't work.

uncastlebar wrote:

Yes, thats what I mean.
Solving a 6 digit with 64 tries and after a 3 digit with 8 tries means not only 72 tries (64 plus 8)
Or am I wrong?

Ok- in your first post, you said 720 possibilities, which is a bit different than 72.

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iceman · 2014-04-15 09:52:19

uncastlebar wrote:

Yes thats right.
But first my house is still running.
And second I dont know how to recording.
Is there any post about it?

You can go to castledraft.com, and just paint in the part of the house that you want to show us. If you want to show us the whole map easily (you can edit parts out), there's instruction on castledraft under Import to let you know how to do it.

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 09:55:37

Ok, I will try it.

I through writing: "first a 6 digit code, then a 3 digit code, both with leap off faith traps" are clear.

iceman · 2014-04-15 09:59:21

uncastlebar wrote:

Ok, I will try it.
I through writing: "first a 6 digit code, then a 3 digit code, both with leap off faith traps" are clear.

Sorry, I should have gone back to the OP and made sure you didn't say anything about a leap of faith for the second lock instead of assuming that it didn't have one. STill, it would be nice to see your house to see if there's anything to give away when the combo lock is on.

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 10:24:30

Well, here it is:

http://castledraft.com/editor/ybMSKJ

Just a principle sketch.
But the protection is a bit the same.

I made the dog and the powered door just for keeping away answers like: he can go back and test the powered trap.

THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE in both code tests.

The broken electrikal wood wall is like he made his mistake back.

iceman · 2014-04-15 11:30:49

Ok, it looks like there's no chance that he could've known whether the solution was correct or not before taking the leap of faith. That means that either he was cheating, or he just got lucky.

What are the odds that he got lucky? In this case, when you have a hundred people try the first lock, the odds of it don't really matter- by chance, *somebody* will get by eventually.

So, what are the odds of him getting past the second lock? Well, there are 8 possibilities. 2 of them obviously aren't the correct ones - all pressed and none pressed. That means there are 6 reasonable solutions. However, if the robber is smart, it doesn't come down to just chance. Most likely, a 3 bit combo lock will have a solution where 2 buttons are pressed- it seems more secure than a 1 button solution, even though they are the same level of security. That means that, if the robber thought of that, there actually was just a 2/3 chance of dying to the second leap of faith. That is not hard to believe someone guessed correctly, at all.

So why did he saw the one wall? Well, think of it from his view- he just got past a 8 bit combo lock against all odds, now he's facing something where he most likely won't get past. He doesn't want to give the owner his tools, so he wastes his only saw, sawing the one past the button to see if it's only 2 walls thick. Then, he jumps to his death... and the dog saves him!

Like all cases of possible cheating, this doesn't mean that he didn't cheat. However, it's completely reasonable that he got lucky, and there's other signs that he's not cheating (sawing the wall, bumbling around in Pohaku's house).

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 12:13:08

Thanks iceman for your explaining,

meanwhile I think the possibility for a 6 digit and a 3 digit is 2^9 = 512 tries.

I understand your thinking. Its like a magier manipulates the crouds. Or a profiler does its work.

But in my case I dont agree with that.

If I could watch a twitch stream like on your house it will be clear.
But the guy solved your castle like I think the only way is.

My guy was soooo lucky with no brute force, nothing.

I change the code and keep watching if he comes back.

Befor I have to buy some pictures.

I saw my old pictures at the aution
Get the robber the pictures or does they goes back to the auction?

HardKor · 2014-04-15 14:20:05

Lord0fHam wrote:

Also, for your combo, use sticky switches.

hahaha, I laughed hard at this one

MMaster · 2014-04-15 14:34:42

Is it just me or do people use 2,3,5 combo really often? Even I used it in my first house with combo lock.

poor · 2014-04-15 14:36:04

lol same here

yet nobody actually guesses it...

uncastlebar · 2014-04-15 14:42:48

HardKor wrote:

Lord0fHam wrote:
Also, for your combo, use sticky switches.
hahaha, I laughed hard at this one

Maybe stop lol and think about it.

For an example use a counter on some switches raises the security!
Can you do this with sticky switches?

Blip · 2014-04-15 14:44:43

MMaster wrote:

Is it just me or do people use 2,3,5 combo really often? Even I used it in my first house with combo lock.

2,3,5 is always my third guess when trying to guess a lock, after 1,3,5 and 2,4,6 but before 1,4,5.

Lord0fHam · 2014-04-15 15:07:08

uncastlebar wrote:

HardKor wrote:
Lord0fHam wrote:
Also, for your combo, use sticky switches.
hahaha, I laughed hard at this one
Maybe stop lol and think about it.
For an example use a counter on some switches raises the security!
Can you do this with sticky switches?

I'm not quite sure what you mean...

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