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#1 2013-07-16 12:12:07

Ludicrosity
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Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

I have a recent tape of a robber named Stephen F. Thurber coming into my home and killing a bunch of dogs and then giving up and killing himself. It is strange because he kills the dogs the "old fashioned way," i.e. by shooting the first one, then luring subsequent dogs next to the dead body of their friends so that he can safely crowbar them. They aren't supposed to be willing to walk into the square adjacent to a dead dog and don't do this on other security tapes, but about a dozen or so dogs do it for this one. Am I missing something about the new dog behavior?

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#2 2013-07-16 14:21:47

Raisane
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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

new update made dogs do that

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#3 2013-07-16 17:13:36

Ludicrosity
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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

But... I thought the latest update was supposed to prevent that? Didn't v14 make it so that dogs avoid stepping next to dead dogs except to kill?

Edit: Also, I have tapes both before and after this particular robber in which the dogs obey the expected v14 behavior of avoiding stepping next to dead dogs.

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#4 2013-07-16 17:17:09

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

I believe so, Ludicrosity. Unless the dogs were already within range, it sounds like a bug of some sort.


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#5 2013-07-17 02:20:18

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Ludicrosity wrote:

I have a recent tape of a robber named Stephen F. Thurber coming into my home and killing a bunch of dogs and then giving up and killing himself. It is strange because he kills the dogs the "old fashioned way," i.e. by shooting the first one, then luring subsequent dogs next to the dead body of their friends so that he can safely crowbar them. They aren't supposed to be willing to walk into the square adjacent to a dead dog and don't do this on other security tapes, but about a dozen or so dogs do it for this one. Am I missing something about the new dog behavior?

Sounds dodgy.  Send the recorded file to Jason.


The rich aren't safe. Nobody is safe. -jere                   ...but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously. - Jason Rohrer

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#6 2013-07-17 05:44:01

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

More like sounds doggy. AMIRITE?


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#7 2013-07-17 12:13:54

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

under some circumstances it does seem possible to get dogs to come close to their fallen comrades

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#8 2013-07-17 18:00:42

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

jere wrote:

More like sounds doggy. AMIRITE?

tongue

I have been reviewing my tapes and have found several more where intruders are able to take out 10+ dogs using crowbars alone based on the fact that the dogs are not observing the new rules. Sometimes they do; sometimes they don't. I even have some tapes where different dogs behave differently with this regard. There must be a bug somewhere in there.

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#9 2013-07-18 02:30:40

dalleck
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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Ludicrosity wrote:

There must be a bug somewhere in there.

Perhaps they will move sideways next to a dog?  Anyway, the new dog movement is going to probably need some adjusting.  I think they need to actively move away from dead dogs and not remain.  This may complicate it all a bit.


The rich aren't safe. Nobody is safe. -jere                   ...but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously. - Jason Rohrer

And the more dickish they are, the more I feel like beating a house to destruction after finally figuring it out. -bey bey

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#10 2013-07-18 22:59:35

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

dalleck wrote:

Anyway, the new dog movement is going to probably need some adjusting.  I think they need to actively move away from dead dogs and not remain.  This may complicate it all a bit.

Not a fan of the drug-lure-shoot-crowbar technique, are we? wink

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#11 2013-07-18 23:25:45

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

azaghal wrote:
dalleck wrote:

Anyway, the new dog movement is going to probably need some adjusting.  I think they need to actively move away from dead dogs and not remain.  This may complicate it all a bit.

Not a fan of the drug-lure-shoot-crowbar technique, are we? wink

Exactly.  Apart from the odd functioning of the new dog /death movement, there is that drugged meat exploit.


The rich aren't safe. Nobody is safe. -jere                   ...but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously. - Jason Rohrer

And the more dickish they are, the more I feel like beating a house to destruction after finally figuring it out. -bey bey

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#12 2013-07-19 10:38:06

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Yeah, I see that Thurber tape!

It's a bug.

Part of it is that dogs that are together stay together, even after the closest one is killed.  That's not a bug.  But he's also able to lure them south right next to the dead ones.  Hmm... looking at the code, I don't see what's causing this.  I'll have to play around with it and figure it out.

Will be fixed soon!


Also, in cases where there's still a tape showing something, you don't need to send me the recording.  Just give me the name of the robber and other stats that identify the tape.  I can look it up just fine in the admin interface (even later, after you die, the tape is preserved for admin view for a while).

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#13 2013-07-19 19:41:45

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

dalleck wrote:
azaghal wrote:
dalleck wrote:

Anyway, the new dog movement is going to probably need some adjusting.  I think they need to actively move away from dead dogs and not remain.  This may complicate it all a bit.

Not a fan of the drug-lure-shoot-crowbar technique, are we? wink

Exactly.  Apart from the odd functioning of the new dog /death movement, there is that drugged meat exploit.

Wait a minute, can you shoot sleeping pit bulls with a gun? For some reason I thought sleeping pit bulls couldn't be killed by any means. If so, I have not accounted for this... hmm

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#14 2013-07-22 13:28:40

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Yes, you can still shoot drugged dogs with a gun.

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#15 2013-07-23 11:43:59

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

This issue was fixed in v15.

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#16 2013-07-23 19:22:56

Ludicrosity
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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Awesome. Thanks! smile

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#17 2013-07-24 14:01:09

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

jasonrohrer wrote:

This issue was fixed in v15.

i hate to come and ruin the party, but this happened today..

http://i.imgur.com/uzShMOE.png
http://i.imgur.com/IcyuQFi.png

upon testing it seems that the pitbull will not move from that spot (unless you step next to him again), but i have observed dogs in the wild keeping clear of the whole 8 tiles surrounding a dead dog. pit/trapdoor a diagonal exception?


edit: ahh this must have been part of the change yesterday, dogges in the wild are indeed stepping into the diagonal spaces now! tricky

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#18 2013-07-28 21:37:26

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

I don't think diagonals ever counted.  They just avoid stepping next to dead animals (NSEW, not diagonal).  And, when one is in a pit, it can be a bit surprising, but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously.

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#19 2013-07-29 00:36:14

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

jasonrohrer wrote:

...but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously.

Consider that added to my sig.


The rich aren't safe. Nobody is safe. -jere                   ...but the smell wafts out from the pit, obviously. - Jason Rohrer

And the more dickish they are, the more I feel like beating a house to destruction after finally figuring it out. -bey bey

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#20 2013-07-29 03:48:23

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Re: Dogs Moving Next to Dead Dogs?

Ah the poetry. The morbid, morbid poetry. big_smile


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