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I like this change because it makes it harder to farm easy family kills, however, the profit margin is still. It's not just 2k accounts that build up bounty, it's also regular accounts. Don't forget that harvested clubs are $100. This means that someone can double that money (way less than before but still profit). If you brought it down to $100 it would be zero profit. I also think an upper limit on the bounties would be helpful in making things harder (require more time).

If we are discussing this here, I might as well throw down my input.

For transfer, dead houses weren't a limitation. Live houses will do the same. And you could do it on your own live house. As long as you can get to the vault of a house, you can drop off the bounty with a death and pick it up with another Acct.

You can also transfer tools using an alt scout (although painting will be stolen as well and are a hassle to pass back).
Acct1 has all tools, and throws as much into a backpack that he wants to keep, Acct 2 robs him to get his needed scouting tools. Acct1 returns.

I like the idea behind cullman's proposal that people only see a random list of houses. This would definitely deter trying to pass (although would be trivial with someone with A LOT of accounts). However, I do see some issues in the experience as a robber is that you can't case specific houses anymore since what you can see is random and may change.

Racked my brain for ideas, but this game is about wealth transfer (robbing) and it's hard not to take away from it and not alter the robber experience. The only thing I can think of is, if you can't take away an action, then change it's results. Mind you, this is a radical change:
For large transfers, i.e. robbing a vault, or dying in a house with a large bounty.
EVERYONE gets a piece of it somehow. There would be less outcry if everyone is profiting. This of course could snowball. But then again, I don't think this game has a problem with lots of money going into the game, the money will be relieved when people start having enough money to attack each other or update their house, and all the self test deaths and used tools would pull money out of the game. Paintings are also a source of money going out of the game.

The only problem I see with it is, the easier it is to obtain money, the less paranoid and hurt you'll be when you lose everything, since starting again isn't that much of a sting.

Ah well, there's my two cents. hopefully you guys can come up with something better than my insane idea.

Edit: grammar police

I figured I will try to persuade you one more time. This time with an example.
Here's an example of making the combo lock for a powered door, using your format.
http://castledraft.com/editor/udt8bi
This stays closed unless you put in the right code, or you bust through and water the source that's holding the door closed.

I'll understand if you still like powered trapdoors, they have more benefits against players trying to stay alive.

Happy Building.

Nice house!

The only thing I don't like is the section 2 to 6 link.
It leaves a wooden trail from your combo lock to locating your vault. 3 cutters, 17 saws, 2 ladders is the bare minimum.
However, I think it's the natural path for anyone trying to brute force a combo lock.

I liked section 1 and 4 the best. Losing sight of pets is always intimidating.

Get the north cat to run down to meet the dog. Then go say hello to the dog (the dog wont chase you cause of the cat). This will cause a sight shift (the way the camera moves so you can see more will change). Then you go greet the no so deadly chihuahua.

Try it out in self test

Edited for the quote.

The unlimited funded robber experience:
Skip past the initial free and low investment scouting (a few meats/wire cutters).

I like to see how far saws can take me first (I gotta use the gifts i've been given). I think 15 saws is a good investment if the place has a big enough value. (this is in addition to meat/water/bricks/1gun).

I'd probably saw behind that windows cat first since it's cheaper than wire-cutting the path after the leap of faith. I'd travel southeast and see your combo lock. Which I would check being only one deep (this is telling me the vault isn't in the corner). Saw the to keep the power door open and brick the two wooden doors to see the path turn north. Back to the pulse room and saw north. I'd ignore the west corner since you can't walk there. Then I would saw north above the powerdoor button because I'm not planning on crossing the trap doors. I wouldn't get that far before running out of saws (15).

Next run, I'd probably continue the saws run since the house has proven vulnerable. And bring maybe 3 ladders for a hopeful final run. You need 2 ladders and a bunch of saws to break a bunch of trapdoors next to each other. 1 more just in case.
Out of the steal path and the concrete one, I'd check the concrete one first since your concrete is built in a curve. It's natural for people to want to put the vault further away than closer on a path.

After luckily choosing the correct left path to the vault, I'd come back to kill your family since it appears you only have limited space for them in that corner. it might wrap around next to the vault, but the way you have it setup with the cat in front means I don't need guns, only clubs and a couple dozen clubs may be worth it to go check it out. (you actually only need 19 clubs + 1 brick + 1 gun, for wife only).

overall cost (i don't consider bricks, meat, water costs. saws, wire cutters, clubs are half value)
Scouting trips, 2 wire cutters (one for dog start, the other for the cat window). = $400
1st trip, 15 saws + 1 gun = $3000 + $1200 = $4200
2nd trip, 30 saws + 3 ladders + 1 gun + 1 explosive + 1 crowbar = $6000 + $1200 + $1200 + $2400 = $10800
Wife trip, 30 clubs + 3 guns = $3000 + $3600 = $6600.

So safe high budget brute force = $400 + $4200 + $10800 + $6600
$22k to wipe you clean. Staying alive and robbing is expensive.

The limited funded scout with unlimited lives:
Probably wouldn't put too much investment after the plethora of electronics I may not be able to check, near the first button. I'd probably try three times, once with the button on, button off, button on then off. But I'd probably look for an easier house because it will take a lot of tries.

All that being said, I'm sure you can come up with ways to stop a like minded robbers.

Already know the ending, but life is in the details!

Edit: grammar police.

Hey Welkin,
Let me know if you email the idea about the checkbox or option to get back into your house when multiple people are fighting to get in. If you don't plan on it or respond, I will. We've got his attention for the bounty issue and I figure we'd want to get this one in as well.

Freelove,
Welkin didn't think his house was invincible. He just wanted to be able to spend some money by either changing his house or getting tools to rob someone (although he wouldn't be able to find the main account of his attackers). He already expressed that he could have taken it better if he didn't assume that. And we came up with an idea that would lessen his frustration. He's gonna take a break and may come back (I've heard him quit before, but he loves the game like us).

Being locked out of the house means you can't play the game, no matter what your goal is..
And I think it's pretty serious. I'm sure everyone here will complain if they can't get into their house all day.
It's frustrating and happens whether or not people have multiple accounts or not. Imagine 5 individual people with single accounts all trying to break your house. You'd have to somehow click faster than 4 of them.

My problem with combo locks has always been the size.
Do you have a recommended format for the smallest effective ordered combo lock?
If it gets down small enough, I wouldn't mind adding it to the arsenal.

Haha, I just realized I gave you a security tape of you getting robbed over 3 days in a text format. Hopefully you enjoy reading as much as I enjoy watching someone solve my house.

Haha.

Any answer for my other question:

Actually you could just buy tools with the main and throw them in the backpack before robbing with your alt. I see your point in the fact that a user could harvest a bounty from his own house by breaking it himself (he knows the solution) in order to cash in on the bounty. I was only focused on sending his alts to die at his house to pump up the bounty.
I don't think there's any way to avoid this since there's no way to separate someone who knows the tool-less method from someone who didn't, which is why I proposed a max to the bounty so it isn't growing indefinitely.

Robbing yourself would require you to wait for the pending bounty to grow through time to a max in my method.
Robbing yourself would depend on the influx of kills in your method. (which at some extent can be having your alts 2k suicide into your own house).

This is why I subtracted $2000 from the my tooled addition calculation, to rule out divers. I generally like kill houses that generate income as well, and I think they are better for me, but if you don't need or want income, a house that protects is a "better" house.

David Michael Scott's front was definitely deterring.
Basically, a "better" house should be one that can protect something that other people want for a long amount of time, this includes editing, since the best house is an ever changing one. Killing is not required. Killing is good for income of course. If it defends by reputation or an awesome fearful front, I still think that should count. Of course it could be a sham, but the longer it fools people, it should have some value.

I think basing it on kills, makes it based on accounts. i.e. The more accounts, the more attempts. Time is independent of accounts. Tools is dependent on accounts, but the return is negative so it shouldn't matter. No matter what we base the bounty system on, the ability to farm it is built in. Adjusting our variables should mitigate that (in yours and my method).

Totally!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hopefully Jason will weigh in and come up with a better solution drawing inspiration from all our discussion.

I'm sure you have ideas to add that I haven't covered or thought of. Just share them here