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Probably me smashing it, It's pretty much our responsibility to stress test the game, if we can break a house for less than 2000(or with some vault save shenanigans) it's not really our fault that the game cant get going / : and of course we all knew how bad the neighbour hood was when we came here.

I'm glad someone gave you free stuff, last house I went to spelt out fuck you in wiring, and yes I did proceed to kill his wife, but I would've probably done that anyway to be honest.

what do they say?

damm, you were running that house on just a widowed dads salary alone? By the way, what did you think when you saw I'd cracked your dance at 2 am XD. I was so upset that you got up ) : otherwise I'd have had your house for sure : P.

Why not make it so that only wired wooden walls transfer electricity? Looking back now, it was brilliant how if I destroyed a wall segment while cutting into a house to figure it out, the entire house would shut down. I wouldnt be able to scout it and beat it in the same run (I really loved the jhonson house). The problem was it took way too much money to cut through the metal walls to find the source. If only the weakest walls carry electricity, I think well see alot more of that interesting gameplay from before albiet it'll be easier to find out how it all works. Also I gotta say, there was something beautiful about watching 10 doors or 50 pits slam shut or burst open at the same time ) :. I dont think the combinations themselves were really broken, it was the inability to ascertain what was going on that was the problem.

All these drastic changes are really brutal. All you really need I think is a) to make wooden wired walls the only ones capable of passing energy. and b) perhaps a kind of animal dart that allows you to see from an animals perspective, but when you move around it's still you moving(so you could still fall into a pit if your not careful).

I was pretty sure you were gonna say my problem is that I have a compulsion to beat all the wives, or that I'm unwilling to allow people to get their houses off the ground. But nope, it's the ex dee that bothers you XD

Sooooo, I just brute forced my way through every single house on the market, every spouse is dead( they call me... the wife beater!). I did this in less than 30 minutes. With defensive capabilities nerfed so hard, aren't offensive capabilities due for a nerf now as well? Then again, this version just started XD so perhaps it to soon to get scared

Will I be considered a dick if I try playing whackamole with all the puny houses that are about to pop up? Also Bey, since its gone forever now, what was that huge section to the far right of your home for?

It's your game XD and it's an awesome one at that, so do watcha gotta do, I'd just like to point out though that you already have 2 forms of income. (wife money and safe money) That already requires explaining, and it's a very small step from there to officially divide the two, a small step that may have considerable positive effects on the way we play(or negative, who knows). Out of curiosity, with the salary nerf to new players, how do you see a new player gaining his start? Is the only real way(not including cheap stuff like snatching someones starter cash, which you've already  discouraged with the 5 min change) a big successful heist? I mean your clearly not encouraging a new player to invest his 2000 in a house, cause it no longer makes any real money. Doesn't this limit game play by forcing all new players into that desperate situation (of grasping at the rich players heels) that you feel adds variety? I will say though thats it's pretty funny how much this game is beginning to resemble an analogue for the whole 99 vs 1 percent conflict XD.

Also I dont think I've heard yet how you feel about the whole easy safe strat. Do you think it has a place in the game or do you just have more pressing concerns to deal with first?

Yep, knew it was you : P, the guy who figured out your dance was me XD, hit up the last door on the last corridor T_T. Were you seriously up at 2 am just making sure nobody robbed you XD. I was so frustrated, I waited till late when you'd be asleep and only managed two runs before you fixed the dance behind a wall of pits T_T. Point is, you are the richest of the rich, currently sitting at rank 1 in money basically, and your house is probally worth the most. More people have died in your house than every other currently on combined XD. Your house has also been there as long as I've been playing the game (over a week now, a huge amount of time for this kind of game thats still in a constantly evolving alpha) Forgive me, but I think your the last person who should be apart of the discussion concerning the viability of starter houses XD.

At best your biased, at worst your a lobbiest for your own cause XD. If you do wanna become apart of this discussion, by all means, start a new house, I assure you I could crack a 2000 in just two runs no matter what with starter smash. Thats not bragging, I'm sure you and every other vet could do so in one run, and thats the problem / :. Again, I'm glad the game has treated you kindly, Your right about it bieng hard and at times extremely fun, like how you had to wake up at 2 am or not sleep at all to stop me with a new reworking of your design. Thats skilful, thats difficult, thats fine, defending a starter house isn't difficult or fun though, it's just unviable. The only way to do so is to get extremely lucky, and it's pretty darn silly that a game that takes so much skill relies so heavily on blind luck to get the player off the ground.

Of course you can 0_0, you balance the problems that are eliminating new players(safe abuse and starter smash), then when new players come in, you balance the problems that arise from them. Aside from that there are some forseeable abuses (ie purposely killing children) or uninteresting elements ( wife defence) that can be adressed in advance.

I mean the problem I see above all is that players are either just playing robber or just playing defensive. Worst part is even after a big hiest robbers lose it all right away because they havent had the oportunity to build a defence. two forms of income and two set of starter cash would solve that / :.

It doesn't happen because new players have no idea wtf that is, and the enviroment in game doesn't encourage the growth neccecairy to grasp and reproduce that. Meanwhile better players generally don't die, and therefore dont experiment, even if thier house does get robbed they're better off sticking with it because at that point it's worth tens of thousands, and they're wife is still likely secure..

I loved watching your house evolve (as I said, it's the only viable one out there), it started out with some good ideas that could be brute forced through, but stuck around and is now quite formidable. Would you agree that currently wife defence does nothing for the game? Even if it wasn't so abusive, which it is, it;s just wholly uninteresting. Do you think a wife check would be cool? Would it be the wife escaping from inside of the house upon spotting an intruder or should it just be the husband reaching her like the safe? Is a family needed at all gameplay wise? It really seems like it's just taking away from the core right now.

Alot of people have been defending the game in it's current state, saying it would be fine if it acrued a small dedicated intelligent player base and that the game is much more viable then it used to be. I have a huge problem with this mentality in that it radiates contentment at a time when the game should not be nearly complete and in fact isn't. I also wanna say that I do not have a master degree, and I am not an electric engineer, but I have learned things just by playing the game, the game itself is not as impenetrable as it it's been made out to be, it's the top players cheap designs that are stifling newbie growth . So long as you have the means to poke around someones house with starter cash you can learn from them, and get better. But these three or so unviable houses at the top two teach you nothing but "lol walls, pitbulls and wives are good son" and the Jhonson house doesn't even teach you that T_T.